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Your point that advertising this on your profile may elicit creepy messages is not an irrelevant one, but I do think for maximum efficiency you should be pretty clear that you are looking for something casual because of your existing commitments. And you do want someone who is very sex-positive.

One option is to look for people with similar profiles to yours: If your tastes run to the kinky, you could also consider investigating in apps and sites that are more open about their focus on sex, such as Fetlife. Once you do decide to meet people, remember to take the same precautions that you would if you were dating for more romantic reasons: Dear Eva, I am 37, a single mom and am looking to find someone , but not a boyfriend.

Basically, I want someone to have sex with and not much else. Topics Dating Swipe right - online dating for the real world.

Online dating Sex Tinder features. Order by newest oldest recommendations. A different challenge, but in a much smoother gear. Problem is, when guys have too many losses where every game is "on the road" where the refs aren't so great either -- he is apt to become MGTOW.

Society is in a shift, sub-culturally. But baggage from yesteryear still holds and complicates things, as particular pieces of yesteryear that benefits a woman are carried through and would only be understandable in an age where women were Grown Kids.

Women are into looks. Do NOT listen to what people say against that. Women are more often than in the past open to hooking up and not wanting to start actually Dating which leads to a true Relationship. Good for guys -- unless she's a bit out of his league -- then he can get upset. If you give off the impression during the "Pre-Dating Phase" before you're a couple; handful s of dates; like a pre-season with them that you're Mr Nice Guy, and she's an assertive, outgoing, attractive woman -- you'll be walked all over and you'll be the BAD GUY if you stand up for yourself once you start becoming a couple.

Don't try to be Mr Nice Guy to win her Interest. Don't compensate by being an A-Hole to win her Interest as a form of backlash. She can't get whatever she wants when she wants it from you. At the same time, you're cooperative, cordial, cool, and charming. The way about you, how you carry yourself. With the wrong Impression, a gal may think you're an A-Hole when you're not The key is the middle-ground. Making that a part of your Natural Way is the key. Feminism has gone too far and created a large population of frumpy, irritable harpies who are simply too demanding and too self-important to give the time of day to.

I say work on yourself first, love yourself first and be excellent. Denounce, openly mock and discard all societal expectations Forget chivalry, "manning up", social expectations, pressure from friends, family, media. Pursue excellence as you have defined it. Yes, this is the "number three" that people are offering as a panacea to attract women. I have experienced this, and it's amazing. It's not the income, the money, the car, the build, the hair, the clothes. It's why an unemployed musician can attract a successful woman.

It's why the unshaven and unkept looking fellow can score in room full of suits and ties. Some fiend this and fail miserably. Some fiend this and pull it off for a while.

But only the man who has truly abandoned that incessant need for finding a life partner is truly free and can reap the benefits of this incredible empowering and liberating way of thinking and living life. Agreed, Charisma can be your ace in the game but for many who try they act the fool by failing to understand that some aspects of Charisma cannot be learned because much of this attribute is genetic.

The Musician you speak probably has a natural flare for working the crowd even if has singing or instrument skills are lacking. My point is that some people are just naturally more charismatic then others and that's the attribute you speak of. A lot of Charisma can make up for a lack of looks, Intelligence, skills,and wealth but Charisma like any performance will get old if you bring nothing else to the table. I see, reading my comment again ironically, not even noticing that it was my comment at first However, this was not my point.

The crux of my post was to define success and define one's self through pursuit of the things that lead to that definition of success. There is far more to that than just having charisma. Sure, there are guys out there who can buy a coffee and read a newspaper and make themselves sound worldly and accomplished - as there are people with multiple degrees working on cutting edge technology who fear their work is boring, and choose to be more introverted and humble.

What I am saying is that attracting women is not something that is wise to do "in and of itself". But this is where most men, I think, fail. We spend so much time and money working on our game to ATTRACT women what is really nothing more than a seduction rather than focus on excellence. Seduction attracts women, and get a man into the bedrooms of many many women. I have done this, and if that's all you want out of relationships, then seduction is an effective means to an end.

You need to put effort INTO your life. Players fiend the confidence that comes with real accomplishment. They don't worry about being exposed because they only need to keep up the charade long enough to get the girl into bed.

Even if this takes a few weeks, by the time she figures out this cocky confidence is just a front he has already gotten all that he wants out of the exchange. Some idolize the player, while some deplore such behavior - and others, still, feel sorry for him - that he feels he's "cheated the system" when really he's cheating himself out of the benefits of more emotionally involved connections. As for me, I think feminism, individualism, materialism and women always shopping for a more "lucrative deal" relationship wise has made most women in the first world way more difficult than they need to be.

They say most couples fight about money - I would offer that in most cases it's the female who has constantly higher expectations of what "being in a couple" should provide her. There is too much emphasis on getting into a relationship as a means of simply accessing more financial resources.

Anecdotal perhaps, but my experience is that women are not as "strong and independent" as they believe they have become, and are still as hypergamous as ever. Relationships seem to be a means to an end, and if the marriage does not work, they can pack up, grab as much resources as the courts will allow, and move on to another man.

I think this is why men opt out. All women divorcing claim they are leaving a monster - but I am seeing women leaving men for far more trivial reasons. Hell these women are small minded and I now avoid them at all costs. From my expert opinion greed, "affluenza" and female selfish attitude and stupidity are to blame and in the end all us honest good prospects become the dinosaurs of time ZZZZzzZZZyawn wheres my dog now that's a real relationship bitch! Agreed, women often cry when called sluts and ask why are men whom have sex with a lot of women are called studs?

Any decent looking woman can walk in a bar flirt with a guy and get sex. As I read your post, I'm like thank you. Someone fucking said what I've been saying and thinking this entire time. This entire world fuck if I know if it's the Westernized world because I've never been outside the US, but I have been told it's differenti n European countries is a fucking joke.

I just got out of a two-year relationship with my now ex-fiancee, one month after I proposed. She has a lot of childhood baggage that she hasn't worked on and so blew up on me over trivial shit and decided to end it. I'm now looking around, spending time on PoF and whatnot. It's a complete joke. Men say it's difficult to find any women or go on a date with them if you're average looking. Well, take this, it doesn't matter what you look like. I'm an intelligent, educated man who is often referred to as handsome.

I'm funny, loyal, and honest. Girls "say" they want these traits but when it's presented to them, in a pretty good package, it's still not good enough. Maybe because I'm not 6 feet tall? I work out but I don't bench lbs? Half of the time I don't get responses. Or a girl will completely stop talking to you for no logical reason.

Other times I get messages from girls I'm completely unattracted to and I'm not saying these girls are "cute", no they're not remotely good looking. I care about more than just looks but let's be frank, you have to be attracted to someone to be in a relationship and you know, have sex with them. At least I do; I won't fuck something just because it has a vagina. This is a big rant, I don't know what else to say.

I have done 1 on a personal level. I really can't get into the whole PUA thing; I'm too real to bullshit people. I am 2 at heart; while I will bend over for certain things I will not be a pushover and always state how I feel about something.

I am now and have always been at 3. This is further reinforced after my breakup with the ex. Now I am at the stage where I am moving into the 4 category. I do not want to go here. I want to stay at 3 but honestly it looks hopeless. The future looks incredibly bleak. Who really knows if any of this stuff is true. Hormonal contraceptives may make it even harder. You might be surprised to find really good quality women there who haven't been on the cock carousel, who can actually cook, who aren't full of themselves.

I know plenty intelligent women like this. I'm tired of it. Until otherwise proven, there is no way to keep a woman attracted long term or get a girlfriend or wife unless you are a bad boy type.

The day I find a woman that's different, then I will believe it. So far, I've only found NO women who will accept or appreciate a good guy. And as far as the men who claim to have given up on women, quit fooling yourselves. There is a reason why you're here reading this. Deep down inside you are still dreaming and hoping that there might be a woman that likes good guys out there that you're attracted to.

The only ones who will break down and accept a good guy are the ones who aren't getting attention from men.

Those probably are the same ones that get on here and say all woman aren't the same and they want a "nice guy. That's why when you do reach this standard, you get to fuck lots of women and the women should only fuck you. That is the big trade off and reward for you versus them. Yes they'll complain and say it's a double-standard, but they're too childish to understand fully why it's like that.

The simple fact is that success is a pyramid scheme. The higher you go the few opportunities there are. And if other rich people have positioned their offspring ahead of you despite your years of experience then you upward mobility ceases. And what do you get if you manage to sort through hundreds of women and thousands of dating profiles?

Married--you become her property. The very laws which define marriage and divorce ensure that no matter how "alpha" you are; you've just become a beta. Plenty of highly motivated men end up losing it all to vindictive greedy women who only a few years before treated him generously. And if the world didn't give a flip about how Paul McCartney a virtual saint got raped by his gold digging wife of five years who tried to take him for half a billion dollars in Beatles money then you can guarantee they aren't going to care about some upper middle class schlub who's getting the heave ho by his old lady.

Hell, it's not even illegal to accuse a man of rape and put him in prison for decades. Do you really think you can get a fair shake in divorce court if she says, "He hit me? Better to find happiness on your own and enjoy the income you make than to try to get a woman to love you only to have her rip you a new one financially down the road. You know all those so-called benefits of marriage? They not only disappear after divorce but you actually get the opposite. Shortened life span, financial ruin, even less happiness, increase rate of suicide, etc.

I mean, what's in it for the guy? When he "wins" this game the most likely "payoff" is that a chick dumps him and takes half his stuff? Why play such a game? What is the incentive for a man? I think you're full of shit. I lead my own life have a job house car and decent salary, but no woman has thought I'm worth the effort to obtain. I hope men will have faith in women despite becoming bitter after bad dating experiences. There are many good woman like myself left.

Keep a positive attitude and accept and embrace different women based on their personalities not just on her looks. The problem is, men have lost faith in women, and with good reason, as evidenced by the comments being posted by men here. If there really were that many good women left, as you say, then you would not see the raft of complaints from men that you see here.

Women have overplayed their hand and then some, and most men are figuring that the only way to win is not to play. In the end, women are going to be the biggest losers because of the way they demand so much from men, but offer so little in return and then complain that everything that goes wrong in this world is automatically and necessarily a man's fault when men choose not to live under that horribly one-sided arrangement.

You really summed it up! I don't blame men for opting out. It seems all most women want is money, a slave and babies anyway. Which is hard on the people who find a breeding centered existence a non-life, restrictive, mind numbingly boring as hell, meaningless and not worth all the sacrifices since there are more than enough people on the planet already.

I don't care if a guy has lots of money. As long as he has a job and has enough to go out once in awhile, maybe on a trip once in a blue moon. In other words as long as he isn't completely broke. I don't want babies. I don't have any and never will, it doesn't interest me in the least. I could turn it around and say all men want is someone with a perfect body like they see on Maxim and if they are goog looking enough, they can get it.

If not, they get frustrated and blame women for being gold diggers, breeders. I don't have any kids either and I was never looking for a man just to get married and breed either.

I am at the point of giving up myself, at 47, still look young, keep fit, have a good job, etc. I agree that most people are looking for "perfect", especially men. They want the top 10 model types, but unfortunately, those are the types of women who can get anybody they want and WILL use a man, especially if he has money. So, what to do? Look at yourself and your life and your looks.

If you are a 10 in all aspects, financially, in looks, career, life, then go find another Chances are you are not.

Most people are average. If you are bald, would you want a bald woman? If you are overweight, would you want an overweight woman? If you are working in a low paying job, and no career goals with your house a mess, would you want that in return? Look for your equal and I think everyone would do better. Stop chasing the unattainable. I will tell you what guys actually want, seeing as you haven't figured this out yet.

What is the 1 thing guys look for when watching porn? Because you're going to read it and you're not going to believe it. You're going to think it's some kind of sexual act, maybe big tits, and it is none of those things.

This whole notion of "men objectifying women" is also a load of horse shit. Men fantasize scenarios in their mind about being with a woman and that woman isn't just some robot lying there. She is there enjoying herself, interacting with him, he's dreaming about pleasing her and what it would be like. Don't be a pain in the ass. Let the guy do what he wants, like play video games or watch his sports.

Take an active part in his hobbies, he would LOVE that! Make him feel wanted, needed and necessary. And don't be a pain in the ass. Notice I said that twice. Actually, guys, especially the ones who come across as nice guys or "different," just want to be accepted and given a chance, plain and simple.

Sex is good, too, but I guess I am different from the typical guy because I don't view sex as the most important thing. I also hate porn because it is nasty to me. For the same reason I prefer to enjoy eating food as oppose to watching and learning how it's made, I enjoy sex, but don't care to explicitly watch it close up.

As far as sports and video games I also tend to naturally speak proper and don't cuss or use slang - simply because I just never picked it up. That's just a brief summary of my personality. The problem is that you are a hypergamist.

You might be a lawyer and that means you aren't looking for a truck driver or a plumber. You want a man who is just as ambitious and successful as you are and now you are 47 and when you find these men they don't want you.

They can find someone who is supporting and appreciative of their position and isn't going to compete with him every day of his life. And she can have kids. You don't know what every man wants because successful women don't look for less successful men. In fact, we're practically invisible to you. Youth and beauty is what attracts a man to a woman. After that she actually has to be a decent human being. You are 47 and for the last 17 years your mate value has been plummeting and is now at rock bottom.

Your income doesn't mean anything because you are only looking for men who make more than you. If they make more than you then they don't need your money and if they did need it you wouldn't want them anyway. You've squandered your best years being a bitch on wheels and making money thinking you could live the feminist dream. Now you are finding that men don't want you. Instead of realizing the obvious you want to blame men for their "unreasonable" demands.

But the unreasonable person is and has always been you. How many men have you dumped or disregarded over the last 30 years because you were waiting for that bigger, better, richer, guy who you felt might finally meet YOUR expectations?

And now you are Your youth and beauty are gone, you can't reproduce, and all you've got is a closet full a pant suits and a big F'ing chip on your shoulder. For the record, turning 40 has been the best part of my life because I get to watch women like you wallow in your loneliness and misery unable to figure out why men don't want you. That is what "attracts" a man to a woman.

I would rather a 6 over a 10 if that 6 has the personality of a rockstar. The last chick I dated was over lbs, and she was awesome! Until we started dating, moved in together and she dropped the mask, became lazy and complacent and expected me to do everything for her. Never once initiated sex once we moved in together.

Of ALL males, between the ages of 18 and 37 are single by choice and want nothing to do with women! Women are so desperate for attention that male hookers and escorts are a booming business.

Just to get a nice compliment from a man, they have to pay for it! They have been telling their other friends. That is a result of heavy porn use -- digital prostitution -- which becomes their main sexual outlet very young.

You also fail to mention that in Japan, the majority of women find sex repulsive. Probably because no woman feels excited or romantic for a guy who spends all his sexual energy masturbating to prostitutes and cartoons.

Sex workers, male and female, serve a nearly exclusively male clientele. Rent boys are for gay men. Men even pay to send these women messages. Lots of them just looking for nsa sex, and many from younger and very attractive men. Really, test this out yourself. Create a Tinder account with an average something female avatar, and say you are looking for no strings sex. Then try the same as a male. Woman will be overwhelmed with offers from attractive and willing men.

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Is dating a punishing situation for men? Double-Binds and Insufficient Incentives In a previous article, I put forward the notion that individuals were not "afraid" to date—rather they simply did not have sufficient incentive to do so see here. What Some Men Do About It Men have adapted and devised a number of strategies to make the best of these difficult options, including the following: Conclusion We are in a very difficult time in history right now.

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This is a great start! I have long believed that the secret to finding a lasting partnership is less about meeting the one but rather about meeting some one who you find attractive and interesting but who also — and this is crucial — wants the same kind of relationship that you do at the same time that you want it.

This can apply to casual relationships as much as serious ones: Being real friends-with-benefits requires the highest level of emotional honesty and communication in order to make the parameters of the relationship clear and avoid hurt feelings.

Your point that advertising this on your profile may elicit creepy messages is not an irrelevant one, but I do think for maximum efficiency you should be pretty clear that you are looking for something casual because of your existing commitments. And you do want someone who is very sex-positive. One option is to look for people with similar profiles to yours: If your tastes run to the kinky, you could also consider investigating in apps and sites that are more open about their focus on sex, such as Fetlife.

Once you do decide to meet people, remember to take the same precautions that you would if you were dating for more romantic reasons: Dear Eva, I am 37, a single mom and am looking to find someone , but not a boyfriend. I agree Numbers are not the only factor but an important one. I'm in my early 30s and have completely abandoned the dating scene.

I don't like working insane hours nor people bothering me, but love playing video games. I buy things for myself, don't buy into society's expectations, and do things that I like, when I want. Most women dislike such behavior.

I thought "Ok, fu-- it, I'm out". I get pestered with the "So, when are we attending the wedding? No, I don't think so.

I know someone who not just opted out, but switched sexualities due to this. They got with a very feminine gay guy, who was suffering due to the gay scene being so small and not giving. They ended up very happy together, sexually satisfied, romance, little-to no fighting, and so on. This leads me to think it's a culture problem, with the West. Mainly US women and Canada. Yeah this is pretty true. Furthermore let me say something about the guys who win in this war over getting laid.

Even the guys who do and satisfy their sexual cravings at least for some time can be destroyed in other ways down the road. They can divorce you later if you are foolish to get married, and even if not, they can imply that you verbally or physically abused them, and if you have kids and she even suggests you did something to that kid even of course if everything she says is full of lies to just get your MONEY, forget it, and you are just a normal guy in society, forget it your toast, because even if you don't go to jail, your career is either destroyed or inhibited forever.

Basically this is allowed, because men do not politically unite with each other in the West and start demanding that a-lot of the laws are changed forever. The laws need to be changed regarding male and female relationships, so that she can protect herself of course, but not use existing laws to favor her and destroy you, when they are lies. As a male child, I was abused by middle aged racist women in grade school.

I was verbally abused, touched, and locked in a storage room. For a few years in my childhood, I had a horrific phobia of white people and women. After therapy, I got much better. I even asked out girls outside of my race. But my body was always a problem. Some girls who said yes said their father would not let them date someone of my ethnicity. When I tried to date, the women were usually slobs that were gross and had no hygiene.

Dating was just too hard. I don't want to be around a slob. Male or female, that's a whore. I quit women altogether. I met a feminine guy, he was everything I wanted in a woman: Our relationship has been positive, happy, productive, romantic, joyful, great sex, we have that romantic-comedy type fun, trust, and I feel loved. There have been very little arguments either. I don't know what is going on in the west or the US, but I thing TG and fem boys may be a good option, if you're truly bi.

I'm not worried about children. When I see women my age, often they are sloppy, slobs, have kids, been with different men, and complain they need a good man. Become worth the effort for a woman to obtain, hold her to high behavioral standards to keep you, and reward her efforts with love and affection. Being a truly assertive leader as a man will still allow you to guide the right woman in love and prompt her to fulfill your needs.

However, you must truly be worth while and valuable for her back, in order to promote such dedication in the long-run. Check out the articles I link to under point 3 in the article for more tips on how to accomplish that goal, if you'd like a way out of those bleak options you mentioned. While I agree with you in sentiment, I don't agree with you in practice. Making myself a better person, a better lover, a better man.

Up until the point that I found this effort to be completely and utterly 1 sided. There are NO women who are putting in this kind of effort, making themselves better women, better people, better lovers. Show me these mythical unicorns of which you speak. Otherwise my personal experience has shown me time and time again that women are completely selfish and self absorbed and couldn't be bothered with real self improvement unless it comes from Oprah and involves nothing more than wishing for what you want.

I have a job that pays well into the 6 figures range. I have no debts. All that effort I put into myself is now only for myself. I do what I want, when I want, go wherever I want. There is little incentive to go out and meet women and absolutely ZERO incentive to get married. I agree with you 90 percent - I have put a lot of effort into becoming a better man, and have found very few women who have put any effort into themselves. Most are flakey and self-centered, believing in a Disney dream that their prince will waltz into their lives.

They play games, and invent drama to manipulate to get their way. And while they are as monkeys, who won't let go of one branch to grab on to another, they accuse men of doing the same. At one time I thought fun, authentic, intelligent women were the norm - but now I've discovered they are at the extreme upper end of the distribution curve. I refuse to give up. I'm a happy single man, and would rather stay that way than be in a bad relationship.

I'm sure you realize nothing compares to the love of a good woman You say women are selfish but you can't judge all women. Every woman is unique and conducts herself differently.

I think you just met the wrong type of women and you shouldn't give up. I did give up on finding true love because I had to come to a realization that Love was just a fantasy I saw on Cinderella Disney Fairytale on TV as a young child. Im not that naive innocent child that was sold the lies I saw.

No, not all women but a lot of what these guys has said is true. When I was married I loved my wife. She was my world. I worked myself till I broke to provide for her happiness. I did this for ten years. Paid for our house,car,dogs,food and utilities. All I wanted was time with her and some attention,affection or a kind word. She expected everything but gave nothing. If I wanted to go out with her no, sex no, help around the house no. Got very sick this last Christmas with the flu and the present she gave me when I was too weak and dehydrated to get off the couch was cheating multiple times then divorcing me on new years.

She lied to the judge saying she was afraid of my reaction to the divorce which got me kicked out of the house I paid for. She admitted to the judge that it wasn't true but the woman judge just said it's okay she was in an emotional state.

I now live with my parents and have to rebuild my life from scratch. Saving for a crappy apartment or something lesser than what I worked for. All I wanted from the dating sites was to find proof that the type of women you described exist. Instead I got judged and rejected more times than I can count. I still want to find a woman and give everything another chance. But after going through what I went through I really don't deserve or want anymore pain from wanting to genuinely fall in love with them marry and have children of my own.

For guys, things like this happen quite a lot now days. I don't need to work on myself I know who I am and what I want. Maybe my only alternative is to find a woman over seas. Frustrating that I'm forced to be single when I don't want it and I can't find one woman from my country that sees my worth and has the courage to take a chance.

This is why men in america are bitter,angry and don't trust. We dream of the movie type of romance and that's all we know because of societal conditioning. Women should research this and realize my gender really has less rights legally than women today. But they won't because who cares about a man's feeling or legal rights?

This is absolutely correct. As a young guy, I've always put time and effort into how I look, exercising, being fit and healthy, and improving the breadth of my existence. That's the expectation placed on me if I want to get a partner, because at the end of the day, I'm competing with every other guy on the meat market.

Women have no such expectations placed on them until they are in their late 20s; as girls, they are led to believe that their gender is enough to find happiness, so long as they're vigilant about fighting the power of male oppression. As young women, they discover that they have the luxury of choice, and go through the disillusioning process of trying to change one or more bad boys. Once they reach their late 20s, they're often jaded, fat, and may have one or more kids in tow, and suddenly have to compete for an ever diminishing market of men against younger, more attractive versions of themselves.

Meanwhile, the nice guys they wiped their shoes on as young women have either given up, or come into their own as callous playboys and pick up artists jaded in their own right. There's something fundamentally wrong with this state of affairs, because nobody wins. You have unattractive young women who are either treated as subhuman i. You have the young guys who genuinely want to do the right thing by women, but have been robbed of their masculinity by everyone around them I was that guy.

You have sociopaths being rewarded for sociopathic behaviour, and attractive women living a life of unchallenged dominance, within which they somehow still manage to find time to bitch about so-called feminist "issues".

Then, at the end of all of this, women as a group are punished for ageing, as they lose value compared to their younger peers. When it's time to settle down, they discover that their own sexual value has fallen off a cliff, while that of the men around them continues to climb proportionate to their success.

At this stage, there is outrage that all of the good men have disappeared; of course, the men are still there, but they're no longer interested. My only response to this is: I no longer date western women, because they don't bring anything to the table as partners. They don't take care of themselves even if they aren't fat, they're rarely fit , they're entitled, they're unfaithful, they don't have any respect for men, and they're more likely to mercilessly take you to the cleaners in a divorce.

Bonus extras include an inability to cook take some lessons, I know I certainly have Oh yeah, you have the right to sleep with who you like and it's none of my business, and I reserve the right to judge you for your poor choices. If you let guys treat you like a toilet, I'm not going to treat you any differently. Don't come to me expecting to be a princess after you've been passed around by the football team, because you've already established a history of behaviour that shows you have poor self-control, no loyalty, and a complete lack of self-respect.

Given these qualities, I'll probably fuck you, but I will never, ever, ever let you be anything more than that. You chose to be the person you are, so don't lay the blame at my feet. I'm fairly certain that I'm not alone in this assessment. I've dated women from some fairly diverse backgrounds, so I know what the alternative is. Right now I have the luxury of choice, and unlike the girls I grew up with, I mean to exercise that choice carefully. Yes, it's assumed guys don't have any or that much feelings for women, and just want to pork I think women take the dating scene for granted, though.

It's MUCH tougher to be the initiator So there is that tilt. To be provided for, not by money per se, but by being what they feel and are told they Deserve. It's a tough environment for BOTH sexes -- so the self-centeredness will only lead to conflict, due to the lack of Understanding.

However, when it's all said and done though, in the end, as a guy, you can break through it. It's like playing a basketball game always on the road against a fruitful crowd, and the refs being quick in many games to call ticky-tack fouls. But it's not about winning every game. Or crying foul on poor ref calls, and a one-sided tilt. All you have to do is win a big game -- whether that means porking an attractive gal, or to be Dating a good catch of a gal all-around. Once she Is That Into You, things change -- it becomes a different story.

A different challenge, but in a much smoother gear. Problem is, when guys have too many losses where every game is "on the road" where the refs aren't so great either -- he is apt to become MGTOW. Society is in a shift, sub-culturally. But baggage from yesteryear still holds and complicates things, as particular pieces of yesteryear that benefits a woman are carried through and would only be understandable in an age where women were Grown Kids.

Women are into looks. Do NOT listen to what people say against that. Women are more often than in the past open to hooking up and not wanting to start actually Dating which leads to a true Relationship.

Good for guys -- unless she's a bit out of his league -- then he can get upset. If you give off the impression during the "Pre-Dating Phase" before you're a couple; handful s of dates; like a pre-season with them that you're Mr Nice Guy, and she's an assertive, outgoing, attractive woman -- you'll be walked all over and you'll be the BAD GUY if you stand up for yourself once you start becoming a couple.

Don't try to be Mr Nice Guy to win her Interest. Don't compensate by being an A-Hole to win her Interest as a form of backlash. She can't get whatever she wants when she wants it from you.

At the same time, you're cooperative, cordial, cool, and charming. The way about you, how you carry yourself. With the wrong Impression, a gal may think you're an A-Hole when you're not The key is the middle-ground.

Making that a part of your Natural Way is the key. Feminism has gone too far and created a large population of frumpy, irritable harpies who are simply too demanding and too self-important to give the time of day to.

I say work on yourself first, love yourself first and be excellent. Denounce, openly mock and discard all societal expectations Forget chivalry, "manning up", social expectations, pressure from friends, family, media. Pursue excellence as you have defined it. Yes, this is the "number three" that people are offering as a panacea to attract women.

I have experienced this, and it's amazing. It's not the income, the money, the car, the build, the hair, the clothes. It's why an unemployed musician can attract a successful woman. It's why the unshaven and unkept looking fellow can score in room full of suits and ties. Some fiend this and fail miserably. Some fiend this and pull it off for a while. But only the man who has truly abandoned that incessant need for finding a life partner is truly free and can reap the benefits of this incredible empowering and liberating way of thinking and living life.

Agreed, Charisma can be your ace in the game but for many who try they act the fool by failing to understand that some aspects of Charisma cannot be learned because much of this attribute is genetic.

The Musician you speak probably has a natural flare for working the crowd even if has singing or instrument skills are lacking. My point is that some people are just naturally more charismatic then others and that's the attribute you speak of. A lot of Charisma can make up for a lack of looks, Intelligence, skills,and wealth but Charisma like any performance will get old if you bring nothing else to the table.

I see, reading my comment again ironically, not even noticing that it was my comment at first However, this was not my point. The crux of my post was to define success and define one's self through pursuit of the things that lead to that definition of success.

There is far more to that than just having charisma. Sure, there are guys out there who can buy a coffee and read a newspaper and make themselves sound worldly and accomplished - as there are people with multiple degrees working on cutting edge technology who fear their work is boring, and choose to be more introverted and humble. What I am saying is that attracting women is not something that is wise to do "in and of itself". But this is where most men, I think, fail.

We spend so much time and money working on our game to ATTRACT women what is really nothing more than a seduction rather than focus on excellence. Seduction attracts women, and get a man into the bedrooms of many many women.

I have done this, and if that's all you want out of relationships, then seduction is an effective means to an end. You need to put effort INTO your life. Players fiend the confidence that comes with real accomplishment. They don't worry about being exposed because they only need to keep up the charade long enough to get the girl into bed. Even if this takes a few weeks, by the time she figures out this cocky confidence is just a front he has already gotten all that he wants out of the exchange.

Some idolize the player, while some deplore such behavior - and others, still, feel sorry for him - that he feels he's "cheated the system" when really he's cheating himself out of the benefits of more emotionally involved connections. As for me, I think feminism, individualism, materialism and women always shopping for a more "lucrative deal" relationship wise has made most women in the first world way more difficult than they need to be.

They say most couples fight about money - I would offer that in most cases it's the female who has constantly higher expectations of what "being in a couple" should provide her. There is too much emphasis on getting into a relationship as a means of simply accessing more financial resources.

Anecdotal perhaps, but my experience is that women are not as "strong and independent" as they believe they have become, and are still as hypergamous as ever. Relationships seem to be a means to an end, and if the marriage does not work, they can pack up, grab as much resources as the courts will allow, and move on to another man. I think this is why men opt out. All women divorcing claim they are leaving a monster - but I am seeing women leaving men for far more trivial reasons.

Hell these women are small minded and I now avoid them at all costs. From my expert opinion greed, "affluenza" and female selfish attitude and stupidity are to blame and in the end all us honest good prospects become the dinosaurs of time ZZZZzzZZZyawn wheres my dog now that's a real relationship bitch! Agreed, women often cry when called sluts and ask why are men whom have sex with a lot of women are called studs?

Any decent looking woman can walk in a bar flirt with a guy and get sex. As I read your post, I'm like thank you. Someone fucking said what I've been saying and thinking this entire time. This entire world fuck if I know if it's the Westernized world because I've never been outside the US, but I have been told it's differenti n European countries is a fucking joke. I just got out of a two-year relationship with my now ex-fiancee, one month after I proposed. She has a lot of childhood baggage that she hasn't worked on and so blew up on me over trivial shit and decided to end it.

I'm now looking around, spending time on PoF and whatnot. It's a complete joke. Men say it's difficult to find any women or go on a date with them if you're average looking. Well, take this, it doesn't matter what you look like. I'm an intelligent, educated man who is often referred to as handsome.

I'm funny, loyal, and honest. Girls "say" they want these traits but when it's presented to them, in a pretty good package, it's still not good enough.

Maybe because I'm not 6 feet tall? I work out but I don't bench lbs? Half of the time I don't get responses. Or a girl will completely stop talking to you for no logical reason. Other times I get messages from girls I'm completely unattracted to and I'm not saying these girls are "cute", no they're not remotely good looking.

I care about more than just looks but let's be frank, you have to be attracted to someone to be in a relationship and you know, have sex with them. At least I do; I won't fuck something just because it has a vagina. This is a big rant, I don't know what else to say. I have done 1 on a personal level. I really can't get into the whole PUA thing; I'm too real to bullshit people.

I am 2 at heart; while I will bend over for certain things I will not be a pushover and always state how I feel about something. I am now and have always been at 3. This is further reinforced after my breakup with the ex. Now I am at the stage where I am moving into the 4 category. I do not want to go here. I want to stay at 3 but honestly it looks hopeless. The future looks incredibly bleak.

Who really knows if any of this stuff is true. Hormonal contraceptives may make it even harder. You might be surprised to find really good quality women there who haven't been on the cock carousel, who can actually cook, who aren't full of themselves.

I know plenty intelligent women like this. I'm tired of it. Until otherwise proven, there is no way to keep a woman attracted long term or get a girlfriend or wife unless you are a bad boy type. The day I find a woman that's different, then I will believe it. So far, I've only found NO women who will accept or appreciate a good guy. And as far as the men who claim to have given up on women, quit fooling yourselves. There is a reason why you're here reading this.

Deep down inside you are still dreaming and hoping that there might be a woman that likes good guys out there that you're attracted to. The only ones who will break down and accept a good guy are the ones who aren't getting attention from men. Those probably are the same ones that get on here and say all woman aren't the same and they want a "nice guy.

That's why when you do reach this standard, you get to fuck lots of women and the women should only fuck you. That is the big trade off and reward for you versus them. Yes they'll complain and say it's a double-standard, but they're too childish to understand fully why it's like that. The simple fact is that success is a pyramid scheme. The higher you go the few opportunities there are. And if other rich people have positioned their offspring ahead of you despite your years of experience then you upward mobility ceases.

And what do you get if you manage to sort through hundreds of women and thousands of dating profiles? Married--you become her property. The very laws which define marriage and divorce ensure that no matter how "alpha" you are; you've just become a beta.

Plenty of highly motivated men end up losing it all to vindictive greedy women who only a few years before treated him generously. And if the world didn't give a flip about how Paul McCartney a virtual saint got raped by his gold digging wife of five years who tried to take him for half a billion dollars in Beatles money then you can guarantee they aren't going to care about some upper middle class schlub who's getting the heave ho by his old lady.

Hell, it's not even illegal to accuse a man of rape and put him in prison for decades. Do you really think you can get a fair shake in divorce court if she says, "He hit me? Better to find happiness on your own and enjoy the income you make than to try to get a woman to love you only to have her rip you a new one financially down the road. You know all those so-called benefits of marriage?

They not only disappear after divorce but you actually get the opposite. Shortened life span, financial ruin, even less happiness, increase rate of suicide, etc. I mean, what's in it for the guy? When he "wins" this game the most likely "payoff" is that a chick dumps him and takes half his stuff? Why play such a game? What is the incentive for a man? I think you're full of shit. I lead my own life have a job house car and decent salary, but no woman has thought I'm worth the effort to obtain.

I hope men will have faith in women despite becoming bitter after bad dating experiences. There are many good woman like myself left. Keep a positive attitude and accept and embrace different women based on their personalities not just on her looks. The problem is, men have lost faith in women, and with good reason, as evidenced by the comments being posted by men here. If there really were that many good women left, as you say, then you would not see the raft of complaints from men that you see here.

Women have overplayed their hand and then some, and most men are figuring that the only way to win is not to play. In the end, women are going to be the biggest losers because of the way they demand so much from men, but offer so little in return and then complain that everything that goes wrong in this world is automatically and necessarily a man's fault when men choose not to live under that horribly one-sided arrangement.

You really summed it up! I don't blame men for opting out. It seems all most women want is money, a slave and babies anyway. Which is hard on the people who find a breeding centered existence a non-life, restrictive, mind numbingly boring as hell, meaningless and not worth all the sacrifices since there are more than enough people on the planet already. I don't care if a guy has lots of money. As long as he has a job and has enough to go out once in awhile, maybe on a trip once in a blue moon.

In other words as long as he isn't completely broke. I don't want babies. I don't have any and never will, it doesn't interest me in the least. I could turn it around and say all men want is someone with a perfect body like they see on Maxim and if they are goog looking enough, they can get it.

If not, they get frustrated and blame women for being gold diggers, breeders. I don't have any kids either and I was never looking for a man just to get married and breed either. I am at the point of giving up myself, at 47, still look young, keep fit, have a good job, etc. I agree that most people are looking for "perfect", especially men. They want the top 10 model types, but unfortunately, those are the types of women who can get anybody they want and WILL use a man, especially if he has money.

So, what to do? Look at yourself and your life and your looks. If you are a 10 in all aspects, financially, in looks, career, life, then go find another Chances are you are not. Most people are average. If you are bald, would you want a bald woman? If you are overweight, would you want an overweight woman? If you are working in a low paying job, and no career goals with your house a mess, would you want that in return?

Look for your equal and I think everyone would do better. Stop chasing the unattainable. I will tell you what guys actually want, seeing as you haven't figured this out yet. What is the 1 thing guys look for when watching porn? Because you're going to read it and you're not going to believe it. You're going to think it's some kind of sexual act, maybe big tits, and it is none of those things. This whole notion of "men objectifying women" is also a load of horse shit.

Men fantasize scenarios in their mind about being with a woman and that woman isn't just some robot lying there. She is there enjoying herself, interacting with him, he's dreaming about pleasing her and what it would be like. Don't be a pain in the ass.

Let the guy do what he wants, like play video games or watch his sports.

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